@dboing said in #9:
> How often does one play games that far, at high levels and in OTB?
What difference does that make? I knew the 50-moves rule included pawns long before I became a master. It's in the rulebook.
@MrPushwood said in #11:
> What difference does that make? I knew the 50-moves rule included pawns long before I became a master. It's in the rulebook.
You didn't answer his question. His question was: At high levels, do games usually last a lot of moves (100+).
@MrPushwood said in #11:
> What difference does that make? I knew the 50-moves rule included pawns long before I became a master. It's in the rulebook.
Well how often do you revise the rule book. or other people (nobody wings it?).
I would not have been sure. but I would have hesitated. never did OTB (with clocks and other ceremonials of real chess). But if the rule did change, I would bet that the old one may still linger around in some pockets of people not revising the rules on regular basis.
@dboing said in #13:
> I would bet that the old one may still linger around in some pockets of people not revising the rules on regular basis.
This particular rule has not changed for ages. Or actually the fact that it pawn moves and captures probably from abourn 1560 or so. What has changed that 1800 something player had to claim that he is routing for draw by 50 moves. up until 1990 there were execptions to some theoretical endgames that were known to be wins but win took more than 50 moves. ever since the 50 move rule has been as is.
Latest addition is the new 75 move rule (but that is a separate rule) where draw does not need to claimed as after 75th non-capturin or no pawn move game is drawn .
well. I await hitting a wall to revise my assumptions. I would have consulted the manual if in the context. but I have not playing chess "seriously", although I am serious about it.
Does everyone read the manual when constructing a kit. or do they wait to hit a glitch?
So not coming from OTB serioso, my point of view is that of some amateur. does not apply. sorry.
I thought I had read in this thread that it had changed. But in my head, I remember capture and motion.
@BrainyCougar said in #12:
> You didn't answer his question. His question was: At high levels, do games usually last a lot of moves (100+).
No but there are known long games that are well know like Karpov-Kasparov 1991 game that neither player claimed the draw which they could have and eventually agreed on draw.
Draws by 50 move are rare as usually there it is obviously that game cannot be won. There are examples from grandmaster games of draws on 50 move rule on horsey+bishop checkmate and Queen vs rook. Obviously in both case there are no captures or pawn moves so both conditions trigger the right to claim
Normally you always hear about in videos, in game commentaries, in tournaments.
Practically everyone knows.
I wonder why White made so many useless King moves in the endgame. Just because they cost him less time than Pawn moves? With my slow mouse, I wouldn't be able to make so many moves within one minute anyway...
there were many pawn moves after but i thought 50 moves after opponent reduced to king was always a draw even if there were captures or pawn moves afterward
videos, game commentary and tournaments. yep. Not on my radar.
But at least the third would be necessary for someone of OTB culture.
I was not asking for myself, I am annoyed by the 50 move rule in principle for its administrative detail aspect away from core mobility rule. makes for hard mathematical view of chess. TB has to be truncated to fit whether it is 50 or 70.
clearly a tournament compromission.
with all that annoyance I had to know the rule. no I was wondering about the importance of focussing on such a superfluous rule as really such a shame not to know. what is the fuss about?
