Does somebody know a book that explain the behaviour and psychology of chess players ? I m beginner and several players insulted me or try to keep me off balance... Is there anybody who had the same experience ?
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Why would you waste time reading a book about such things?
Anyone can be a chess player regardless of age,status,
achievements,knowledge,values.
And why would you bother if someone insults you or try to keep you off balance?
If you got distracted by it then your opponent won the game.
There are two battles going on,as long as there are pieces on the board. One,defined by the rules of the game,other kept raging inside your head.
"Nobody wants to die(lose)"
Some people express their feelings/emotions whether that may be their anger,happiness,honor,appreciation...
When the prize is "high" and when you truly want to win at something and lose,you'll emotions will come out. Some people burst and spit it all out,others keep them for theirselves.
Either way,it tells a lot about the person :)
You shouldn't care much about what people think/say about you as person,player,or anything other as long as you dislike their opinion.
If you get insulted by other people,it's not them to blame...it's you to blame. Because you let them to insult you.
Don't be too serious,you'll miss the fun.Try something new,be creative,and whatever happens happens :)
Anyone can be a chess player regardless of age,status,
achievements,knowledge,values.
And why would you bother if someone insults you or try to keep you off balance?
If you got distracted by it then your opponent won the game.
There are two battles going on,as long as there are pieces on the board. One,defined by the rules of the game,other kept raging inside your head.
"Nobody wants to die(lose)"
Some people express their feelings/emotions whether that may be their anger,happiness,honor,appreciation...
When the prize is "high" and when you truly want to win at something and lose,you'll emotions will come out. Some people burst and spit it all out,others keep them for theirselves.
Either way,it tells a lot about the person :)
You shouldn't care much about what people think/say about you as person,player,or anything other as long as you dislike their opinion.
If you get insulted by other people,it's not them to blame...it's you to blame. Because you let them to insult you.
Don't be too serious,you'll miss the fun.Try something new,be creative,and whatever happens happens :)
I actually was thinking about this the other day. In fact, I started a forum post called "Chess Trash Talk." Since then I have thought about why people take this game so seriously.
en.lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/chess-trash-talk
There are definite psychological factors involved. If there is anyone out there who has studied psychology please feel free to offer up a reason as to why some people feel the need to degrade others in efforts to make themselves feel better.
On a similar topic, I have recently asked a question on youtube "I wonder if a game of chess has ever escalated to fisticuffs" and I was actually very impressed with the highly detailed answer I got:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6d7G9l-ug&google_comment_id=z13qgl2gnmf3uvxgd04cej5zfvngwhvqhvc0k
The Business10 months agoLINKED COMMENT
I wonder if a chess game has ever escalated to fisticuffs..
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Troy Bettencourt
Troy Bettencourt8 months ago
According to Chernev there was a player who after losing would swipe the pieces from the board and smash the board on his opponents head and did that in a single tournament 10 times. unfortunately I don't remember the name.
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Mike R.
Mike R.5 months ago
+Troy Bettencourt from now on, he is my favorite player :D
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Queen Rexy
Queen Rexy4 months ago
+The Business In 1867, Wilhelm Steinitz got in a dispute with Henry Blackburne at a City of London Chess Club game. Blackburne made an insulting remark and Steinitz spat towards Blackburne. Blackburne, who was over 6 feet and 250 pounds, then smashed the diminutive Steinitz in the face with his fist.
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Queen Rexy
Queen Rexy4 months ago
+The Business There was also Ajeeb, a fake chess automation machine/robot in 1915 that was set up at Coney Island. One opponent got so mad after losing that he pulled out a gun and shot the thing 6 times, killing the guy who was hiding inside the machine making the moves. In 1923, Alexander Alekhine smashed all the furniture in his hotel room after losing a game to Rudolf Spielmann.
In 2003, Simon Andrews stabbed, to death, Jerry Kowalski during a chess game. Authorities said that Andrews was disturbed by Kowalski’s constant talking during their chess games. Andrews then pulled a knife from under a sofa-bed mattress and stabbed Kowalski in the neck.
In 2008, David Christian of Iowa City choked Michael Steward to death after losing a game of chess. In 2000, Craig Williams beat Laurence Douglas in a chess game that had a $5 wager. Williams took a $5 bill from Douglas after the game and Douglas then stabbed Williams 16 times. In 2008, one Russian guy was so angry for losing that he threw his opponent out a window which killed him. Around 1060, William the Conqueror was playing chess with the Prince of France and got checkmated. The king then took the chessboard and hit the prince over the head with it.
In 1959, a Soviet scientist killed another Soviet scientist at a Soviet research station in Vostok, Antarctica after a chess game argument. The losing player got so mad, he killed his opponent with an axe.
In 2007, two players got into an argument at the Village Chess Shop in New York during a chess game. One player was using his piece to knock off the other player’s piece rather than using the hands to remove a captured piece. One player then picked up the wooden board and hit the other player in the mouth, which drew blood.
en.lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/chess-trash-talk
There are definite psychological factors involved. If there is anyone out there who has studied psychology please feel free to offer up a reason as to why some people feel the need to degrade others in efforts to make themselves feel better.
On a similar topic, I have recently asked a question on youtube "I wonder if a game of chess has ever escalated to fisticuffs" and I was actually very impressed with the highly detailed answer I got:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6d7G9l-ug&google_comment_id=z13qgl2gnmf3uvxgd04cej5zfvngwhvqhvc0k
The Business10 months agoLINKED COMMENT
I wonder if a chess game has ever escalated to fisticuffs..
Reply3
Troy Bettencourt
Troy Bettencourt8 months ago
According to Chernev there was a player who after losing would swipe the pieces from the board and smash the board on his opponents head and did that in a single tournament 10 times. unfortunately I don't remember the name.
Reply2
Mike R.
Mike R.5 months ago
+Troy Bettencourt from now on, he is my favorite player :D
Reply2
Queen Rexy
Queen Rexy4 months ago
+The Business In 1867, Wilhelm Steinitz got in a dispute with Henry Blackburne at a City of London Chess Club game. Blackburne made an insulting remark and Steinitz spat towards Blackburne. Blackburne, who was over 6 feet and 250 pounds, then smashed the diminutive Steinitz in the face with his fist.
Reply1
Queen Rexy
Queen Rexy4 months ago
+The Business There was also Ajeeb, a fake chess automation machine/robot in 1915 that was set up at Coney Island. One opponent got so mad after losing that he pulled out a gun and shot the thing 6 times, killing the guy who was hiding inside the machine making the moves. In 1923, Alexander Alekhine smashed all the furniture in his hotel room after losing a game to Rudolf Spielmann.
In 2003, Simon Andrews stabbed, to death, Jerry Kowalski during a chess game. Authorities said that Andrews was disturbed by Kowalski’s constant talking during their chess games. Andrews then pulled a knife from under a sofa-bed mattress and stabbed Kowalski in the neck.
In 2008, David Christian of Iowa City choked Michael Steward to death after losing a game of chess. In 2000, Craig Williams beat Laurence Douglas in a chess game that had a $5 wager. Williams took a $5 bill from Douglas after the game and Douglas then stabbed Williams 16 times. In 2008, one Russian guy was so angry for losing that he threw his opponent out a window which killed him. Around 1060, William the Conqueror was playing chess with the Prince of France and got checkmated. The king then took the chessboard and hit the prince over the head with it.
In 1959, a Soviet scientist killed another Soviet scientist at a Soviet research station in Vostok, Antarctica after a chess game argument. The losing player got so mad, he killed his opponent with an axe.
In 2007, two players got into an argument at the Village Chess Shop in New York during a chess game. One player was using his piece to knock off the other player’s piece rather than using the hands to remove a captured piece. One player then picked up the wooden board and hit the other player in the mouth, which drew blood.
It is their Ego. This is nothing special to chess players. If someone loses a game, then that hurts. It hurts much less when someone analyzes a lost game.
These dudes dont analyze their games and therefore dont know their weaknesses. As a result they see themselves bigger than they are. And if they lose, their ego becomes angry.
I analyze my games and the more i do the more i become aware of my errors and weaknesses and therefore i become more and more calm as i see myself more realistic. And as a sideeffect i also become a little little little bit better with each analyzed game (hopefully).
These dudes dont analyze their games and therefore dont know their weaknesses. As a result they see themselves bigger than they are. And if they lose, their ego becomes angry.
I analyze my games and the more i do the more i become aware of my errors and weaknesses and therefore i become more and more calm as i see myself more realistic. And as a sideeffect i also become a little little little bit better with each analyzed game (hopefully).
the first thing to do is to forget that stereotype that chess is a honorable gentleman's game. a number of chess players, even strong ones, are complete scumbags.
that speaks more about human nature than about chess, though.
that speaks more about human nature than about chess, though.
first of all, if some random guy insults you on the internet why do you care?
b) you just need to increase your trashtalking rating so you can handle such situations. I would reccomend studying the classics:
Korchnoi used to be very good at taking the initiative in trashtalking and he was extremely creative when he was insulting people(quite the opposite of his chess playstyle)
Aronian also used to be extremely precise with his trashtalking, but at some point he stopped and he started to play worse
Here is a good example of subtle probing the opponents psychological weakness from Giri.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gJe3uaQHo
b) you just need to increase your trashtalking rating so you can handle such situations. I would reccomend studying the classics:
Korchnoi used to be very good at taking the initiative in trashtalking and he was extremely creative when he was insulting people(quite the opposite of his chess playstyle)
Aronian also used to be extremely precise with his trashtalking, but at some point he stopped and he started to play worse
Here is a good example of subtle probing the opponents psychological weakness from Giri.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gJe3uaQHo
Lost + Found: schach.chess.com/blog/billwall/chess-and-violence
It looks like chess is a violent game ;-)
It looks like chess is a violent game ;-)
I must sadly admit that i had a bar fight many years ago while playing cards for the money. We played Skat: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skat_%28card_game%29
Also a wargame.
Also a wargame.
@#6:
"...subtle probing the opponents psychological weakness..."
Yet another little wiener.
"...subtle probing the opponents psychological weakness..."
Yet another little wiener.
Arrested emotional development is probably a good descriptor for these kinds of chess players. They're essentially man-children who haven't developed the emotional faculties to deal with losing. Their solution to not getting what they want (e.g., losing a game of chess) is to throw a tantrum, much like a child would do. Taunting, name-calling, and physical confrontation are the only solutions they know for dealing with the cognitive dissonance they experience when losing (especially to a lower-rated opponent).
Thankfully, we have the option to disable chat, which is probably the quickest solution when dealing with these types of players.
Thankfully, we have the option to disable chat, which is probably the quickest solution when dealing with these types of players.
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